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Re: The Internet
By: natem to All on Sun Nov 01 2026 20:44:21

It's a big network.

...After all! :)

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natem wrote to All <=-

It's a big network.

It's a series of TUBES!



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Re: Re: The Internet
By: poindexter FORTRAN to natem on Mon Nov 02 2026 09:47:37

It's a big network.

It's a series of TUBES!

Just be careful you don't get flushed down them.

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RE: Re: The Internet
BY: poindexter FORTRAN

It's a big network.

It's a series of TUBES!

OK, what even is "Internet Discussion" after all?

Maybe on-topic... I am happy to have fiber service to my home as of a few months ago. Symmetric 1Gbps with low latency for less than the 1Gb/35Mbps service from the cable company.


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Fiber definitely has been the best internet we’ve had. 1g up and down but they have 3 and 6gb plans. I have no endpoints that support that and not
buying new gear. I remember my first DSL was 128k down … then cable at 1mb …
first was 56k frame relay. Yikes. That was the jam.

RE: Re: The Internet
BY: poindexter FORTRAN

It's a big network.

It's a series of TUBES!

OK, what even is "Internet Discussion" after all?

Maybe on-topic... I am happy to have fiber service to my home as of a
few
months ago. Symmetric 1Gbps with low latency for less than the
1Gb/35Mbps
service from the cable company.

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Re: Re: The Internet
By: natem to Outatime on Tue Nov 03 2026 08:48 am

buying new gear. I remember my first DSL was 128k down ... then cable at 1mb

Man, I remember the very first time I saw a download at 1megabyte per second. My heart probably skipped a beat. It was on a cablemodem that used dialup for upstream, even.

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Outatime wrote to ALL <=-

Maybe on-topic... I am happy to have fiber service to my home as of a
few months ago. Symmetric 1Gbps with low latency for less than the 1Gb/35Mbps service from the cable company.

I had a nice chat with the AT&T tech out to do some cable maintenance on
my street. Very candid, talked about the price increases after the first
year (AT&T marketing is very cloudy concerning the non-promo price)

Mostly, I wanted to talk to him about what they would and wouldn't be
able to do as part of the install and found out what fiber they need. I
think I can have them hand off the fiber at an NI alongside my house and
get into my office space with a single hole - or I may want to bring it
in another way and have my cable guy run the cable under the house to
make it cleaner.

I'm looking forward to symmetric bandwidth, been wanting to back up my
NAS to the cloud for some time, but at 40mbps upload speed with
bandwidth caps, not going to go for it.



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natem wrote to Outatime <=-

Fiber definitely has been the best internet we've had. 1g up and down
but they have 3 and 6gb plans. I have no endpoints that support that
and not buying new gear. I remember my first DSL was 128k down ... then cable at 1mb ... first was 56k frame relay. Yikes. That was the jam.

My first experience with the internet was a 56k leased line that came
from UC Berkeley to my company. My first cisco router, public IP
spaces, and 70+ people using that line. Thankfully, it was all text
back then and no one really knew about it except for a select few
people and a mail gateway.

Speaking of frame relay, I worked for a Big Law Firm that had a frame
relay network. They ran a 256k CIR from the main NYC office to their
hubs, then 64K circuits to the branch offices.

One Monday, I find a conference room full of attorneys from the DC
office in a conference room complaining that the network was down. They
were trying to load files from a local server - over a 64K link from SF
to LA, a 256K line carrying all west coast traffic from LAX to NYC and
a third 64K link to DC. I suggested they all take turns logging in. You
know that comic trope when 3 people try to fit through a door at the
same time, get jammed in the doorway, then stop, think about it, decide
to go one at a time, then all try to go first? Yeah, like that.





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RE: Re: The Internet
BY: natem

Fiber definitely has been the best internet we've had. 1g up and down
but
they have 3 and 6gb plans. I have no endpoints that support that and not buying new gear. I remember my first DSL was 128k down ... then cable at
1mb ...
first was 56k frame relay. Yikes. That was the jam.

I definitely have no need at this time for anything faster than gigabit. I can't imagine needing it soon. 10 years ago I had 3Mbps DSL and decided then it
was time to move on to cable. Maybe another 10 years I'll upgrade again.


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Re: Re: The Internet
By: poindexter FORTRAN to natem on Mon Nov 02 2026 09:47 am

natem wrote to All <=-

It's a big network.

It's a series of TUBES!

... Adding on

it's like boats.


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Re: Re: The Internet
By: Outatime to ALL on Mon Nov 02 2026 03:37 pm

RE: Re: The Internet
BY: poindexter FORTRAN

It's a big network.

It's a series of TUBES!

OK, what even is "Internet Discussion" after all?

Maybe on-topic... I am happy to have fiber service to my home as of
a few months ago. Symmetric 1Gbps with low latency for less than
the 1Gb/35Mbps service from the cable company.

that's good. who is your provider and how much do you pay?
i'm still using verizon 5g and i'm happy with it.


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that's good. who is your provider and how much do you pay?
i'm still using verizon 5g and i'm happy with it.

Regional provider called Shentel, $65/mo. Comcast for lesser service was $80 and I had to call them every year to beg for the rate.


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Re: Re: The Internet
By: natem to Outatime on
Tue Nov 03 2026 08:48 am

buying new gear. I remember my first DSL was 128k down ... then cable at 1mb

Man, I remember the very first time I saw a download at 1megabyte per second. My heart probably skipped a beat. It was on a cablemodem that
used dialup for upstream, even.

I recently upgraded to FTTP.

Now on a 500MBit plan. 50mb/s download speed.

To think that my own internal network was slower. Now I can download from the Internet faster than I could transfer PC to PC in the 2000s.


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Re: Re: The Internet
By: Outatime to MRO on Wed Nov 04 2026 07:27 pm

that's good. who is your provider and how much do you
pay? i'm still using verizon 5g and i'm happy with it.

Regional provider called Shentel, $65/mo. Comcast for lesser service
was $80 and I had to call them every year to beg for the rate.

i don't like comcast and i dont like charter/spectrum.

with spectrum my bill trippled over 3 years. they also kept raising the rate by small amounts randomly.


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phigan wrote to natem <=-

Man, I remember the very first time I saw a download at 1megabyte per second. My heart probably skipped a beat. It was on a cablemodem that
used dialup for upstream, even.

Downloading Fido packets via FTP instead of making a call blew my mind.
I could call several times a day and not have any toll charges!



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Boraxman wrote to phigan <=-

I recently upgraded to FTTP.

Now on a 500MBit plan. 50mb/s download speed.

To think that my own internal network was slower. Now I can download
from the Internet faster than I could transfer PC to PC in the 2000s.

I thought 5mbps with LANTastic and 11 mbps with 802.11b was amazing
when they came out. And my daughter was complaining about her net
speeds in her room - she's got a furnace and a breaker box between her
and the AP. She was getting 20 mbps on a speed test...



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Hey MRO!

On Wed, Nov 04 2026 23:54:48 -0600, you wrote:

i don't like comcast and i dont like charter/spectrum.

I've had Time Warner (and now Spectrum) for almost 20 years now, probably.

with spectrum my bill trippled over 3 years. they also kept raising the rate by small amounts randomly.

More than likely, you had some kind of promotion (or multiple) for the first year. They will only mention that your promotions are almost up in small print on your paper bill. If you don't get a paper bill, you'd never know. Rates go up without warning once that year is up.

I just don't mess with promotions any more. I stick with my $100/mo for Gig internet, and that's it. If I notice they're offering it for less, and not via promotion (which I did awhile back, and dropped my bill $30/mo), I'll call and see if I can move to the recent plan.

All of the big providers do this. AT&T is probably the worst of all of 'em, in my experience. They will straight up tell you your bill is going to be <THIS> much, your first bill matches that, and then over the next 6 months you bill creeps up $10-20 a month and by the time you notice it's WAY out of hand.

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Boraxman wrote to phigan <=-

I recently upgraded to FTTP.

Now on a 500MBit plan. 50mb/s download speed.

To think that my own internal network was slower. Now I can download
from the Internet faster than I could transfer PC to PC in the 2000s.

I thought 5mbps with LANTastic and 11 mbps with 802.11b was amazing
when they came out. And my daughter was complaining about her net
speeds in her room - she's got a furnace and a breaker box between her
and the AP. She was getting 20 mbps on a speed test...

20megabits? Pffff, thats like a serial connection these days!

I started my online experience with a 2400 baud modem and BBS's. The biggest file I transfered was 800-900kb, and it took an hour.

When I checked my stats on one of the BBS for total downloads, after a couple of years of being online, it said the total download was 13MB.

I do that in a fraction of a second now.

Despite all this speed, people are still complaining of computers being slow. There is still awful latency in some places.


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Re: Re: The Internet
By: Accession to MRO on Thu Nov 05 2026 04:20 pm

On Wed, Nov 04 2026 23:54:48 -0600, you wrote:

i don't like comcast and i dont like charter/spectrum.

I've had Time Warner (and now Spectrum) for almost 20 years now,
probably.

yes, i've had them since like 1998 to 2024

with spectrum my bill trippled over 3 years. they also kept raising
the rate by small amounts randomly.

More than likely, you had some kind of promotion (or multiple) for
the first year. They will only mention that your promotions are
almost up in small print on your paper bill. If you don't get a paper
bill, you'd never know. Rates go up without warning once that year
is up.

yeah it was a promotion. but it went from 50 bucks in 2021 going up and up until it was like 150 in 2024. it was a gradual thing.
you will also notice that with tw everyone was paying different.

i'm glad to be off that shit. my bill doesnt go up anymore.
my speeds are better. in milwaukee my speeds sucked.

of 'em, in my experience. They will straight up tell you your bill is
going to be <THIS> much, your first bill matches that, and then over
the next 6 months you bill creeps up $10-20 a month and by the time
you notice it's WAY out of hand.

comcast charter and att are junk.
they charge a lot and raise rates.

i would do internet only and my bill would be high.
with what i have now, my bill actually dropped 20 bucks last month and i had
no idea why.
so cellphone and internet is now 72 bucks instead of 92


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