Yup. Cable had been available in my area since 1980-81.
Including cable internet? It would be surprising that cable internet would have been available in 1990.. I don't remember hearing of that back then.
Including cable internet? It would be surprising that cable internet would
have been available in 1990.. I don't remember hearing of that back then.
In most places in the states, I don't think it was, unless he possibly means IDSN service for internet. In 1990, I don't remember the Internet even being a thing that most people were aware of. The "GUI WWW" was not really yet a big thing then.
I had dial-up internet then, and internet at work, and it was all text -- email, ftp, telnet, usenet news, and gopher sites.
In most places in the states, I don't think it was, unless he possibly means IDSN service for internet. In 1990, I don't remember the Internet even being a thing that most people were aware of. The "GUI WWW" was not really yet a big thing then.
In most places in the states, I don't think it was, unless he possibly
means IDSN service for internet. In 1990, I don't remember the Internet
even being a thing that most people were aware of. The "GUI WWW" was not
really yet a big thing then.
it's a bit disingenuous.. like saying 2.5Gbit internet was available in the 90's (it was.. to ISPs)
in truth (adjusted for inflation, 1995) just the cablemodems for service back then were >$1000
and (again for inflation) 1993? $11000 for the modem
it took @Home in 1997 to make cablemodem available in a meaningful way.
Yup. Cable had been available in my
area since 1980-81.
Nightfox wrote to Mortar <=-
Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
By: Mortar to Nightfox on Tue Apr 15 2025 11:13 pm
Including cable internet?
Can't speak for the early '80s, but it did exist when I got it in '90.
Interesting. I hadn't even heard about the internet until 1995, and I thought it was all dialup for home users at the time. I didn't think there was any broadband internet until at least the late 90s.
it took @Home in 1997 to make cablemodem available in a meaningful way.
I didn't think there was any broadband internet until at least the late 90s.
...unless he possibly means IDSN service...
The "GUI WWW" was not really yet a big thing then.
I wasn't aware of the internet until 1995. In 1990, I knew of services like AOL, Prodigy, CompuServe etc. though.
There was cable here with dial-up...
The "GUI WWW" was not really yet a big thing then.
Actually, it wasn't a thing at all. The first widely used WYSIWYG browser was
Mosaic in 1993.
Nightfox wrote to Mortar <=-
Interesting. I hadn't even heard about the internet until 1995, and I thought it was all dialup for home users at the time. I didn't think there was any broadband internet until at least the late 90s.
Interesting. I hadn't even heard about the internet until 1995, and I
I remember people talking in 1993 about shell accounts at netcom, being able to bounce around the world on one phone call. About that time, my company got a 56k leased line from UC Berkeley. I had a shell account, tried playing with tools like SLiRP to connect Windows to the net, then
Dumas Walker wrote to MORTAR <=-was
The "GUI WWW" was not really yet a big thing then.
Actually, it wasn't a thing at all. The first widely used WYSIWYG browser
Mosaic in 1993.
I didn't think it was but couldn't remember for sure which year it was
I first tried out Mosaic. I knew it was between 1993 and 1997, because
of where I was living, but that was about it. ;)
I remember people talking in 1993 about shell accounts at netcom, being
able to bounce around the world on one phone call.
What I remember as my first browser was called NetScape, probably 1994/95 I think. Still on dial-up at that time.
Same here (and I think it was spelled as Netscape, with lowercase 's').
I didn't think it was but couldn't remember for sure which year it was
I first tried out Mosaic. I knew it was between 1993 and 1997, because of where I was living, but that was about it. ;)
What I remember as my first browser was called NetScape, probably
1994/95 I think. Still on dial-up at that time.
The formal name was Netscape Navigator. They later dropped the Navigator part.
I was referrig to standard TV cable at that point.
Nightfox wrote to Mortar <=-
Re: Browsers
By: Mortar to Nightfox on Fri Apr 18 2025 10:42 am
The formal name was Netscape Navigator. They later dropped the Navigator part.
I remember. And sometimes I referred to it as "Nutscrape
Masturbator"... :P
The formal name was Netscape Navigator. They later dropped the Navigator
part.
I remember. And sometimes I referred to it as "Nutscrape Masturbator"...
:P
About the same time that people called it "Internet exploder"
Netscape came in two flavors - Navigator and Communicator. Communicator included a mail client, NNTP client, IRC client and a couple of other tools - HTML editor and calendar, if memory serves.
I built an entire corporate infrastructure on it - sent out distribution lists via text updates, created an NNTP server for company collaboration, like a Yammer/Viva Engage setup, and used IRC for a company chat platform. All tied into Palm Pilots with a program called PocketMirror that synched everything to your Palm. It was pretty cool, and all totally cheap for a pre-funding startup.
Nowadays, you'd just get google workspace and call it a day. But that's nowhere near as fun. :)
Nightfox wrote to Mortar <=-
Re: Browsers
By: Mortar to Nightfox on Fri Apr 18 2025 10:42 am
The formal name was Netscape Navigator. They later dropped the Navigat part.
I remember. And sometimes I referred to it as "Nutscrape Masturbator"... :P
About the same time that people called it "Internet exploder"
Netscape came in two flavors - Navigator and Communicator. Communicator included a mail client, NNTP client, IRC client and a couple of other
tools - HTML editor and calendar, if memory serves.
I built an entire corporate infrastructure on it - sent out distribution lists via text updates, created an NNTP server for company
collaboration, like a Yammer/Viva Engage setup, and used IRC for a
company chat platform. All tied into Palm Pilots with a program called PocketMirror that synched everything to your Palm. It was pretty cool,
and all totally cheap for a pre-funding startup.
Nowadays, you'd just get google workspace and call it a day. But that's nowhere near as fun. :)
Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
What client did people use to acess the NNTP server? Just a
newsreader, or was there a web frontend?
poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-
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Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
What client did people use to acess the NNTP server? Just a
newsreader, or was there a web frontend?
Communicator had a newsreader back then - so did Outlook Express, and plain ol' Outlook, too. NNTP did 90% of what people use corporate
social networks and microblogs for these days.
Its weird how people keep trying to reinvent the same thing over and over. Technologies which solve problems alread exist, but whoever is in IT, making decisions or proposals simply isn't aware of what current technology can do,
Quoting Bf2k+ to Boraxman <=-
You said a mouthful there. I think they do it to say they invented something new and get a paycheck for it.
In the PLC/HMI world where I live, this has been going on for decades
now. I recently has a conversation with a young engineer where he told
me he was working on a way to collect data from a printing press. I didn't have the heart to tell him I was doing that in the 80's.
As for streaming, I use a number of services, but for old TV show and movies, I like
Tubi. I also have Crackle, but don't use it much. I've tried a few times, but they
never seemed to have what I was looking for, and now that you have to pay for it, I
Yup. Cable had been available in my area since 1980-81.
What client did people use to acess the NNTP server? Just a newsreader, or was there
I was leaning towards a Roku instead of a FIrestick for the other tv.
I was leaning towards a Roku instead of a FIrestick for the other tv.
There's one thing Roku has over the other options. You can get a remote (or app) that you plug headphones into and can then hear the audio of whatever you're watching. You can't install your own apps on it, though, only from their own "store". FireTV and GoogleTV and the Android based stuff beats Roku on all other functionality, IMO. Walmart has somewhat decent Android boxes, Onn brand, for under $20.
Growing up in the '70s we could see the cable tv tower from our livingroom, but it wasn't available to our address.
I think i used a web browser and just entered Newgroup://alt.whatever? never used a third party program
There's one thing Roku has over the other options. You can get a remote (or app) that you plug headphones into and can then hear the audio of whatever you're watching. You can't install your own apps on it, though, only from their own "store". FireTV and GoogleTV and the Android based stuff beats Rok on all other functionality, IMO. Walmart has somewhat decent Android boxes,
I have a Roku with a remote like that, though I haven't plugged any headphones into it.
In San Francisco, they built a huge television tower called Sutro tower that you could see from most anywhere in the bay area - if you couldn't see it, you could just point your antenna the same way everyone else's was pointed.
the Android based stuff beats Roku on all other functionality, IMO. Walmart has
somewhat
decent Android boxes, Onn brand, for under $20.
Shield is that RetroArch (the console emulator) is supported on it. I've installed that with some ROMs, and I have an 8BitDo bluetooth controller I u
though.. As the broadcast source would be constantly moving and rotating, I imagine there would be some sort of affect (doppler or similar?)..
the Android based stuff beats Roku on all other functionality, IMO. Walmart has
somewhat
decent Android boxes, Onn brand, for under $20.
Found the Onn brand today on sale for $12. Am very pleased with it so far. W I can't stream I can always just switcht the input to my OTA anntenae <sp>.
Bogomips wrote to Mortar <=-
Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
By: Mortar to Nightfox on
Tue Apr 15 2025 02:10 pm
Yup. Cable had been available in my area since 1980-81.
Growing up in the '70s we could see the cable tv tower from our livingroom, but it wasn't available to our address.
There's a really cool Kodi add-on for games. Not sure if
it's works or not...
That's awesome. Is that for the stick or the little box?I got the stick model and Pluto already d/l, will check kodi tomorrow. Im not used to all those choices. only had like 12 channels with the OTA to choose from.j
Definitely install Kodi and check out some of the add-ons for it, like the Pluto add-on that shows up like IPTV channels under the TV "tab".
for games. Not sure if
it's works or not...
Then how do you know it's "really
cool"?
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